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No planes at the World Trade Center, why the movement will always hide this fact at all costs Whilst the idea of no planes at the World Trade Center was floated as early as 2001 by Nico Haupt and others, the hypothesis wasn't taken "seriously" until around late 2004, 2005 and early 2006. Right around a year before September Clues was released. Of course, there had been many challenges to the very official idea that passenger jets collided with the World Trade Centre, usually taking the form of Plane Switch theories, Pods and Flashes, the idea the planes were real but Modified fuel tankers and suchlike. With hindsight, it is very easy to lump all these theories together, but out of respect, they were due diligently researched at the time by many dedicated researchers, and infact almost all had their own followers, they weren't all postulated by the same groups of researchers. The Pod theory came from Lets Roll Forums for example, and was in regards to the second impact. In Plane Site, released in 2004, borrowed heavily from LRF research, however went one step further and suggested Flight 11 also had a Pod, but this was debated at LRF. Many sub sets believed things ranging from a Missile hitting the North Tower, a modified DC 10, and other ideas. It must be born in mind it was much easier to suggest that a plane didn't hit the North Tower at the time, because as only one clear video of that event existed, and the plane was hardly very clear in the shot, the postulators were hardly suggesting media fakery was involved, so long as of course they suggested a missile impact or some other technology. Something physical of course. This has always been the LRF angle. Something physical as oppose to video manipulation. Of course, much good research had been done there and in other places about the idea the Naudet film was a set up, and of course watching what could only be described as a perfect swing of the camera by Jules Naudet, as well as many other perfect zoom in and zoom outs on all crash shots, and tower demolition shots, it was always presumed the cameramen or women had foreknowledge of what was about to happen. However, the idea the images were real was never challenged. That is what has been, and as I will go into further detail, what will always be, protected, at all costs. You can believe the Naudet story was a scam, you can believe there were 300 or more camera men or women out in the street who all captured the event perfectly and knew what was going to happen. As long as you didn't challenge the validity of the footage that was fine. That is as far as it was ever taken on LRF, probably the most liberal truth forum up until that point. As long as there was a camera person in the street who filmed what happened, it really did not matter if you suggested it was a passenger jet, an orb, a blimp, a hot air balloon, or even a baseball. Just as long as the film was authentic. Protect the media at all costs. Whilst it is very hard to argue anyone in 2012 who believes any planes were used at all is a serious top flight researcher, this was not always the case. Many people (myself included) were at the most 50-50 on the issue for a very long time, because we never knew any better, and there were so many rabbit trails to go down. It must be said though, people were not totally ignorant of all the issues with "planes". People understood the physics of the crashes were in the very least suspicious, the idea an aluminum plane could penetrate the aluminum cladding, steel curtain wall, thick safety glass, and with a wingspan of at least 7 floors, many layers of 4 inch thick concrete, steel decking, webs of trusses, and office furniture, going all the way from one side of the tower to the other, AND THEN, the engines having enough energy to penetrate through the safety glass, steel curtain wall and aluminum cladding (all without leaving a hole in the other side of the tower), well, the idea was far fetched in the least. So enter the Pod theory, where a bulge on the underside of the craft fired a missile at or just before impact, which I guess cleared the path for the plane. Quite bizarre in itself really given the videos showed none of this, except a small flash at impact. But this idea was taken seriously by many. LRF even went as far as to produce merchandise including but not limited to t-shirts to promote this theory. This idea was also sometimes coupled with other ideas, such as the plane was packed to the brim with explosives, and or the impact floors of the building were blown out with their own explosives, at or just prior to impact. The last two ideas are actually more plausible than the Pod idea itself, in theory anyway. But once again, all photos and videos were authentic. Enter early 2006. A new influx of "researchers" started appearing on 9/11 forums, promoting a new idea, that (at least) the second impact was fraudulent, no plane hit WTC 2. It was either a missile, or a bomb, or nothing. Subsequently, for the first time, the images were being challenged. Many of these posters were probably legit and clung on to the new refreshing idea, but many were also obvious plants designed to stir up emotions and essentially ruin the idea. LRF was notorious for banning this research or limiting it, the Admin Phil Jayhan banning MANY posters for promoting the idea no plane hit WTC 2. This was in obvious conflict with their precious Pod theory, and he was having none of it. The research was eventually allowed, however often relegated to sub sections of forums such as "No plane, No brain" sections, mocking the idea and making it clear it was a fringe theory, not to be discussed seriously.Laughable really given Jayhan himself is now a No Planer, his previous Pod theory now totally incompatible with his new empty towers stance. If Jayhan had even a modicum of respectability in the glory years of LRF, it is not totally gone. Which is ironic and deliberate given his latest stance is as close to the truth as his website has ever been in the past. His website is almost dead now with very few new threads. During my tenure there I witnessed a great many legitimate posters be banned and harassed for posting no plane research, even at the point wherehe agreed with them in theory. It was pathetic to watch and I no longer wanted any part of it. So of course, by the time September Clues came out in 2007, the idea was already viewed as hogwash by many. Every 9/11 guy out there told you not to look at it, Alex Jones made a comparison to Mental Illness, and guys like Ace Baker, Nico Haupt and others deliberately made themselves look crazy whilst promoting the "fringe idea". A real shame too that Clues was not narrated, and had an amateurish feel to it, as previously slick productions like Loose Change Second Edition trumped it in many peoples eyes. So much of the 9/11 audience simply refuse to take the idea seriously, but as I will layout, there is more motivation to protect this idea than EVEN the idea the official story is untrue. Even websites like WTC7.net started putting disclaimers on their site as early as 2007 saying "we do not promote no jetliner theories, or incivility." Molding the two together, assuming no planers are there to start trouble and infighting, as many of the plant posters in 2006 did. They ruined the idea before it got to the mainstream. But on with the show; For starters, no plane insults are asinine. Most 9/11 truthers have always been no planers for 2 out of 4 of the crashes that day. Including all on LRF, who practically invented the no plane no brain chant. Though there are some figureheads such as Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones etc who have not challenged the idea that four civilian planes crashed on 9/11, the vast bulk of the truth movement do not believe that Flights 11, 77, 175 and 93 took off that day and crashed where stated. So it's okay to be a no planer, as long as its for 2/4 of the events? Right. So I guess the only difference between flight 77 and 175 and 11 is that it was shown on film. After All, there are witnesses to all four crashes, so how is it witnesses in Shanksville and Washington can be discounted, but witnesses in NYC must be taken at face value, despite all reporting vastly different types of aircraft. So I guess the only thing left is the films, which have demonstrably proven as fake. From the fact that commercial jets cannot do 550mph at sea level, to the fact no black boxes were found, to the fact that the videos are all fake and show vastly different trajectories, to the fact a jet engine cannot fly 500 meters and land on a street corner with no witnesses, to countless other facts, the evidence is clear that no planes crashed in NYC. If you cannot see that, the scope of this blog is beyond you. I am not here to insult you, but direct you to other research on The Real News Online and other sites. The scope of this blog is to demonstrate WHY the movement will always protect the idea. The idea they would use any real planes it outrageous. They have to be in control of every variable, and the only way to ensure that is to fake the videos. Nothing can go wrong. They have total control of the stage. There is no proof of any planes. For the first time in aviation history, black boxes are missing, four of them. A continuous looping tape on flight 93 managed to lose the last 3 minutes of its audio, this is impossible. Don't people think that if planes really took off that day they would just release the security tapes of people boarding the flights? Nothing to lose. The news footage shows a 50-60 story fireball, a 50 story orange fireball. The soot part even higher. This is outrageous. The orange flame part of a fireball from a 767 crash would never be much higher than 3 or 4 stories at the most. Many videos of 767's crashing exist. The schematics of the crash are totally wrong. That is like a jet crashing into the street and the fireball going higher than the tallest skyscrapers. Never would happen. The plane hits floor 78 and the orange part of the fireball goes at least 10 stories beyond the roof line, the soot even higher before it molds into the existing smoke. This is laughable to believe that could ever happen, much less with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel. The reason that the movement protect this idea is two-fold. Firstly, they have to have the figure of 3000 people dying. Once you know that over 250 people did not die in plane crashes, you do tend to question the final death toll more, however the alleged flights 77 and 93 were sparsely occupied, so the finality of the toll would not be affected much. The second is that once you take the planes out of the equation, many parts of the rest of the story start to crumble. Firstly, how can the news footage of the towers burning for an hour be true if no plane hit the tower? What is creating and sustaining those fires? How could you then have people up there starting fires if the building was fully occupied? And how would they get out? If no plane it the tower, why are all those people jumping out? Even if they blew a hole in the side of the tower, this wouldn't start a massive fire or make people jump out. How would they get a perfect sized gash in the tower? If people were up there starting fires, how can the jumpers be real? How did the fires become black just like jet fuel would? Who would put themselves in that kind of danger to light those fires? If no plane hit, then why would people be trapped at all? It's not like all that plane debris would be blocking the stair cases. If the tower is full, you can't have any of this. There would be so many witnesses to these phantom guys starting fires in the building. Jayhan tries to explain this with his "smoke machines", but you can't have smoke without fire Phil, so what is causing the fires? Jim Fetzer and others have tried to explain no planes with a hologram theory, but again this doesn't advance the idea much nor explain any of the above pitfalls. Fetzer has even advanced the idea a cloaked plane 1400 feet to the right projected this hologram over NYC and into the building. The schematics of the hologram theory are outside the scope of this blog, but needless to say, it still preserves the idea of a full occupied building. How did the 25,000 people in the tower or the thousands on the street (assuming that is the case which it wasn't), not see this plane offshore? What a ridiculous risk to go to when you can just fake the videos. Fetzer promotes Richard Halls 9/11 study, however after much review and critique, I find it no more scientific than the NIST report, he draws line of data that don't even exist, much like NIST don't focus on the events after "initiation of collapse" and assume everything is automatic.Real scientists assume NOTHING and I am truly surprised a scholar like Fetzer would consider Halls study in any way scientific. Any theory as long as the buildings are full, the streets are full of witnesses, and the cameras are rolling and capturing the actual event, they don't care what advanced truthers believe. Grilled Cheese Sandwich hit the WTC? No problem, as long as they keep the media complicity out of it. Jim Fetzer was quoted on Dose of Reality with Brian S Staveley and Justin Cooke, when confronted about the absurd trajectory on the dive bomber shot and others, "Oh well, what they probably did was throw in a few tampered videos to confuse the situation". Well first off Jim, those videos were broadcast on CBS on the DAY of 9/11. Secondly, once you admit even one of the network shots might not be legit, you call into question the entire Richard Hall study, which is based solely off network and home videos. The hologram theory still has all the same pitfalls listed earlier. How do you get the fires? How do you get the Jet Engine and landing gear in the street? Must have been planted, and if so, how did they do that with thousands of people on the street? If you are forced to admit those shots are doctored too it further damages the hologram theory. The hologram theory is designed once again to keep the media out of it, to protect the idea of empty towers and floors not being complete. What of the jumpers? If they are not inhaling the toxic fumes of jet fuel than why on earth are they jumping? And obviously, if you continue to deny the media fakery than you must also account for jumpers being 50 feet out from the towers, Photoshop and so on. Good luck denying all the irrefutable evidence posted on these Photoshops at The Real News Online, Clues forum and LRF about this subject. LRF has excellent research about fake jumpers, they just reach sometimes different conclusions about how that effect was achieved, though recently they seem to have backed away from the dummies out the windows theory, to their credit. Lets Roll Forums has arguably one of the most vast and proficient research teams ever seen in the movement, it's just a shame their admin and several of their mods clearly possess an agenda to hide the final 25% of the truth being exposed at Cluesforum, The Real News Online and other outlets, as well as attack vehemently those who attempt to preach this to the public, like Brian S Staveley and Simon Shack. The only explanation for all of the above is media fakery. It is the only way for the perps to be in total control. It is provable beyond all shadow of a doubt to those who will only look. The idea they would use real planes is too risky. Also hologram technology is largely untested, and what of the risks of the image at that height reflecting off other buildings, or shadowing in as it hit the tower and reflecting off the glass of the building. The extreme risk of the shaped charges not creating the correct looking holes in the towers, the key to remember is they only had one shot at all of this. The towers do not look even remotely real in any of the moving video. The correct look was glassy and silvery, with a tinge of black. Below are two excellent scenes shot in 1991, starting at 6.47 that show the correct look of the towers. Compare this to the washed out, cardboard box looking, windowless boxes in the 9/11 footage and the result is stark. Regular cameras in 1991 show the correct look, and yet in 2001 this is the best they can manage. Notice the definition of windows in the foreground buildings and the lack thereof in the WTC. It is worth noting that around 1996 they changed the Friends intro for example, and many movies and TV shows stopped showing the correct WTC coloring, a definite and disgraceful attempt at pre programming.
Hopefully over the course of the last two years it has become very obvious why the 9/11 figureheads avoid no planes at the WTC at all costs. And a few who don't ignore it such as Phil Jayhan and Jim Fetzer, attempt to do all they can to muddy the waters and promote outrageous sub theories to distract the dedicated minority who see through the bullshit of Alex Jones, Dylan Avery and the big players in 9/11 truth. They do so because the agenda number one has always been to protect the media. Though I am sure their preference is you believe the official story, they really could care less if you think Martians from planet Zhog attacked the WTC on 9/11. Just as long as you are unaware that the MEDIA attacked the WTC on 9/11. Now, just to clarify, obviously anyone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job, does not trust the media per say. They know (hopefully) they are controlled, a propaganda machine, and they lie and deceive the public. However they still assume that as current affairs people are journalists, they will at least provide us with coverage of events, and that their news footage and videos can more or less be trusted. If they cover a war, terrorist attack or court case, whilst knowing that the motives and perps behind those events are probably not as we are told, the COVERAGE of the event is truthful and the images are real. It is this, and only this, at the bottom line, that the powers that be wish more than anything else to protect from the world. It is the WORLD media. It is far too easy to blame the 9/11 attacks on the "American Government". It is also grossly unfair on the American public. The same forces that control things behind the scenes control all our countries spare 4 or 5 in the world. No one is safe from their oppression and nobody is safe from their persecution. We at The Real News Online.Com have contributors from all over the planet and it would be naive of any of us to think we are any safer than each other from their persecution and their torment. They want you to think it's the US Government doing these things. That changes every four or 8 years. By the time their "crimes" are fully exposed that regime is often out and a new one is in. Maybe even the next one after that., but the media never really changes, nor the people behind the scenes pulling the strings, carrying out these hoaxes. Suppression of the no plane evidence definitely serves to carry out this agenda. By keeping the focus off the media, and on god knows who. We have had many callers into our radio show over the last year, all trying to argue planes hit the WTC, Pentagon etc. They always end up in the same rhetoric "We need to get Bush, Cheney and their masters, those homosexual bastards" and on and on it goes, and on and on it goes. Those guys will all be dead before too long, then what? You will have nothing more to say, and the next false flag hoax media attack will already be underway. And so the cycle repeats. James Sloan - The Real News Online.Com www.TheRealNewsOnline.com
67 Comments
Great article James, but you forgot the biggest "mainstream truther" theory, that the planes were remote controlled by Dov Zakheim's company. Of course the evidence you provided (the film shows that this is not the case, because if they were remote controlled they wouldn't need to show computer generated images, as with any other theory out there that involves planes). Anyway great analysis. I too bought the propaganda for years that "no planers" were out of their minds, as I was swayed away from watching September Clues, but upon further research I can't believe that planes of any type were used that day.
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James Sloan
12/4/2012 06:25:53 am
I was never totally discouraged from looking at it from time to time, it did make sense on some levels, but it was definately a guilty pleasure of sorts..something in the mind told you to snap out of it and get off the page.
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TJ Glen
9/27/2015 04:25:32 pm
Awesome point!
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12/4/2012 03:07:01 am
Nice recap of speculations made by those who took at face value the fake 102 minute movie made for 911 breaking news broacast and aired in exciting segments. You are correct to urge getting off the "government did it" and "Israel did it" stuff. ABCCBSFOXNBCMSN and Hollywood did it supported by newspapers, magazines, and US corporations. Too big a house cleaning job for a handful of awakened 911 pundits and far too late.
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7/3/2013 12:02:43 am
Certainly the government and Israel had to approve it and had to be involved to some extent, especially Israel.
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Michael Butler
12/4/2012 04:30:46 am
Excellent analysis. As you correctly point out, the MEDIA is their biggest most critical asset and they will protect that machine at all costs. Once the media has lost all credibility (as it already has for those with open eyes) then this paradigm changes completely and many people will be hanging from lamp posts.
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12/4/2012 04:45:28 am
Michael thank you for letting us know about the bad link. I will correct it as soon as I'm back home in front of my PC.
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Gene Knierim
12/4/2012 05:34:19 am
where did the people go who got on the planes at the airports?
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James Sloan
12/4/2012 06:10:27 am
Considering two of the four flights were not even scheduled to fly that day, 8 black boxes are either missing or their contents hidden, no security videos or home videos full stop from any 9/11 airports that day exist, and only 2 distant images of any four tail numbers ever exist despite planes being photographed hundreds of times a week in their lifte times by plane spotters all over the world, you really have your work cut out for you proving any planes existed in the first place. Another 9/11 "fact" that was assumed from day one but never proven.
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Brian S
12/4/2012 05:44:57 am
Gene that's a very simple question to answer, yet an important one I agree. Its simply they never boarded any of those flights on 9/11. It was a completely fabricated story.
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Michael Butler
12/4/2012 05:56:52 am
What are your thoughts on how the towers were destroyed? The 911 Gelatin team is interesting (http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/show/8636674-preparing-the-wtc-for-destruction) Do you think they used explosives or was that CGI as well? Perhaps a directed energy weapon was used ala Judy Wood's theory? Micro nukes?
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James Sloan
12/4/2012 06:15:22 am
We definately have proof of CGI being used in the collapse footage, infact the towers look just as washed out and fake in that footage as they do in all the plane shots. My best guess is they were just taken down like a regular demolition, but we did not see it on TV. This aspect is the hardest to prove however and forms part of the 5-10% of 9/11 we don't and probably never will know.
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12/6/2012 07:42:19 am
Micheal I believe the towers were destroyed in a normal fashion. I'm certainly no demolition expert so I don't know the exact materials they normally use for an extremely large building, but that is the most likely scenario. Whether skyscrapers are normally taken down with TNT, C4, Dynamite, Etc... I'm not really sure but I see no reason to think it wasn't just a standard demo. Yes it looked so uninformed on TV, or The Steel Spire video looks so suspicious but REMEMBER we are looking at fake video!!!! The only viable reason I could see them using a different method than a normal demolition is the towers were most likely constructed much less than we thought. There could have been less support columns and everything we have been told,. Less floors would need less support, who knows maybe they even did it like a conventional demo but with less explosives due to the construction of the towers. These towers were built to come down and blame on some one to start war.
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12/6/2012 08:20:41 am
Michael Butler I am sorry I meant to include this at the end of the previous comment. This s when I called out Judy Woods on some other questions I addressed above. I told her it looks like her evidence is based off cars towed in from a tow yard and although I was disconnected at about 4 minutes into the call I was able to get back on the air about a minute later. It's about a nine minute call from me to her.
James Sloan
12/6/2012 08:50:46 pm
For what it's worth too, i've been around the game as long as anyone, and I have seen people flip flop to and from every theory there is, but I have NEVER seen anyone backtrack once they know of media fakery.
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12/10/2012 03:05:00 pm
One thing people are forgetting was the reason they destroyed Building 7. They destroyed Building 7 because that was the location where the media was manipulating the footage. ;-)
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Brian S
12/11/2012 04:07:58 pm
Thanks for reading it Scott. Check out our radio show on Wednesday nights at 10PM ET USA
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phil
1/4/2013 02:50:50 am
I cannot agree more. it is a towering shame that the 'truth movement' en masse rejects the hypothesis of no planes. i finally crossed that bridge recently, but had been walking it for some time. once you pay the toll booth of no plane in Shankesville and none at Pentagon, and consider the risks of flying remote controlled anything or live aircraft into buildings, it makes perfect sense.
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William Mattox
1/14/2013 07:53:41 am
All those people on the planes, and the black boxes did not just disapear with out any reasonable explanation. No steel building has ever been brought down by a passengers jet and collapse in it's foot print. Building seven fell in it's footprint and never was hit by a plane. It was pulled and fire fighters hea
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Brian S
1/17/2013 03:26:31 pm
It was a total hoax people. Every year on 9/11 why aren't your Facebook feeds floded with videos and pics of their lost ones. Where are all the videos of thousands exiting the WTC on 9/11, etc etc etc
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2/7/2013 01:35:15 pm
It doesn't take an expert to see that many of the videos showing the WTC planes were obviously faked. There are only two ways that Flight 175 could slice through the South Tower like a knife through butter...and that's if either Wile Coyote or Daffy Duck was flying the airplane. Cartoon cut-outs only work at Disney.
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Brian S
3/28/2013 07:30:13 am
or how about all the videos of thousands of people running out of the towers????? Oh yea. That's Right. There are none. That,s not fishy. So 52 amatuers caught flight 175 unexpectedly approaching but NONE of them stuck around to film people leaving the towers?????? How stupid do they think we are?
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6/24/2013 05:02:08 am
Do you have links to where Jim Fetzer is "promoting" Richard D Hall's analysis. Also, you don't distinguish between Hall's 1st and 2nd analysis (the 2nd one being the more comprehensive). I am not sure Fetzer promotes this 2nd one, does he?
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Brian S Staveley
6/24/2013 08:04:57 am
James Fetzer Definitely heavily promoted Richard Halls Hologram theory. We had quite the debate about it. I will give you the exact audio. We did two shows together. One on my network. One on his. I think that talk was mainly one his but I will link you to that show first and search out the other one. He talks about it a great deal and this is easily debunked. your asserstion I listen to too much internet talk is a deep mistake. I provide much of this talk and research this as in depth as James Fetzer or any of them. I am grabbing the links to the two radio shows right now. The one on my network also has a folllow along evidence page(you could probably use for both). I'll brb with the links to the audio .
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Brian S Staveley
6/24/2013 08:08:48 am
I have also have some serious run ins with Dr Judy Wood and was treated very unprofessiopnally. I will get those two calls as well. I was muted, hung up and ridiculed without being able to defend myself. She dodged every question I asked and sais I was running A Psy Op on america for using her first name. Only ten year old do that they said. Her co host then published my name and address on Before It's news.com and told people I couldn't hide in apt, 3c. Cell phone number as well. How unetrhical is that???
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6/24/2013 08:17:11 am
Here is my appearance on James H Fetzer's show and right from the start he heavily promotes Richard Hall's Study. If you p[ay attention every point he makes from Hall's study I have debunked it. He even says a hologram was projected from a cloaked and stealth plane a quarter mile to the right of the towers!!!!! HE SAID THIS!!!! havea listen and thank you for your interest.
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Brian S Staveley
6/25/2013 03:23:36 am
Andrew Johnson here go to the 30-31 min mark to hear the promotion of Hall's work by Fetzer. he HEAVILY promotes it.
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maryanne kerrigan
6/27/2013 05:34:24 am
well so the folks that lost love ones on the flight out of boston are on lsd or something...that flight didn;t exist...well one of them was my neighbor....come on now...
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7/2/2013 11:57:50 pm
I've featured James Sloan's article about the no planes evidence on my website this week:
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7/2/2013 11:58:19 pm
I've featured James Sloan's article about the no planes evidence on my website this week:
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7/2/2013 11:58:32 pm
I've featured James Sloan's article about the no planes evidence on my website this week:
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Brian S Staveley
7/3/2013 05:38:59 am
Thank you so much for sharing our work Alan!! We are doing a live radio show tonight at 10 PM ET right here on this site.
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David Harte
7/3/2013 09:52:42 am
Brian, you are a fucking disgrace. I debunked you on the david Icke facebook page and you blocked me instantly. Goes to show that you are full of shit. Your supposed to be about truth and when I give you truth, you run like a fucking chicken. What are you afraid of ?
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Brian S Staveley
7/4/2013 11:00:16 am
I blocked you cause I asked you a simple question and all you would do is divert away from it, call me names, and think you know it all. If a fkn plane goes thru a concrete wall the hole needs to be there right away and it was not obscured mostly by fire. You want me to answer 20 questions about witnesses and families which i will and am more than qualified to do, but you want tell me still how a 47 story skyscraper just collapses to the ground WITHOUT your precious lil airplane hitting it. Your answer was falling debris. REALLY???? If thats the case I'll never go in a hi rise again.
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David Harte
7/3/2013 09:56:53 am
For anyone wondering what I debunked, here it is. Brian states that in the following video, the gaping hole was edited in after the plane entered the building. I simply pointed out that the smoke and fire was blacking the sunlight and that when the smoke and fire dissipated, the sunlight was again allowed to hit the building making the gaping hole more prevelant.
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David Harte
7/3/2013 09:57:08 am
For anyone wondering what I debunked, here it is. Brian states that in the following video, the gaping hole was edited in after the plane entered the building. I simply pointed out that the smoke and fire was blacking the sunlight and that when the smoke and fire dissipated, the sunlight was again allowed to hit the building making the gaping hole more prevelant.
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David Harte
7/3/2013 09:57:20 am
For anyone wondering what I debunked, here it is. Brian states that in the following video, the gaping hole was edited in after the plane entered the building. I simply pointed out that the smoke and fire was blacking the sunlight and that when the smoke and fire dissipated, the sunlight was again allowed to hit the building making the gaping hole more prevelant.
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David Harte
7/3/2013 09:58:32 am
Apologies for the triple post. It said there was an error and try again.
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Brian S Staveley
7/4/2013 10:56:42 am
David for the one millionth time you can see the support columns to the right off explosion INTACT. Now if the plane went thru the bldg and made that hole it cant happen 18 seconds later. Not only that you can actually see the animator draw it in. You have not debunked shit. Your saying we cant see the hole cuz of the fire yet the hole is primarily to the right of that fire and you can clearly see the plane did not pierce through the building. BTW you still have not answered what I asked you first so until you do this will be my last response. You say airplanes took down these towers. So if a third one fell in the same manner but no plane hit it we have a problem dont we???? Your excuse was falling debris. Even though it was blocks away lets say debris struck it. Is it gonna make a steel framed and concrete bldg collapse unimformly??? Obviously not. I bet you still wont address that. Stop trolling.
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David Harte
7/6/2013 09:23:33 am
Brian, an animator can not draw in in real time. Certainly not from many different camera angles, many photo's show the same gaping hole from many angles. An animator certainly can not draw in smoke and flames in real time, nor can her draw live people inside real gaping holes. What you are suggesting is beyond, way beyond credible. IMO you have lost the plot.
David Harte
7/6/2013 09:26:06 am
Unblock me or you are the biggest pussy in history !
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Jeff
10/7/2013 10:47:59 am
This is the first time in years that I've read about the flash, pods, etc. I would have to say that I'd rather see you JOIN Alex Jones and Dylan because ultimately, we need to get to the truth.
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Brian S Staveley
10/9/2013 12:58:20 am
Jeff why would you want to see him JOIN Alex Jones. AJ is gatekeeping this info. He is a liar and covering up that there were no planes used. You cant even ? it. He'll attack you. He is not who he pretends to be. Usee your own eyes and logic. Do all the crash videos and pictures look real to you??? Thats what you should be asking....
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10/19/2013 06:35:24 am
Brian Great article good points, can you please go back through it an fix typos. i could careless but for your own credibility it would help you to get your point across, Thanks for accepting constructive criticism
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Scaries
10/19/2013 08:19:05 am
You're way too far ahead of me on this topic. The MSM says 343 firefighters and 72 policemen died 9/11. I'm assuming you grew up in the area. By probability you would have to know somebody that was connected to one of these persons. Any opinions on this?
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Brian S Staveley
2/9/2014 04:02:21 pm
Thank you Brianna! Be sure to check out my blog after Titles The Real Truth Behind The Greatest illusion Of All Time 9/11 here in our blogs as well as some of our radio shows in the archive. Our 9/11 anniversary page is also great to walk you thru a ton of visual and audio evidence.
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JPR
2/16/2014 10:53:38 am
Great article. I too am just seeking the truth and have always suspected the no plane idea as a scenario and of course have zero trust of the MSM. I do have a question and forgive me if this has already been covered. If so, please provide a link and I will gladly follow it and read it. My question is what about the towers actually being brought down. Are
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JPR
2/16/2014 11:37:20 am
Sorry, hit submit by accident. You state that they could have easily blocked off a radius of blocks and brought down the towers through demolition (I think it was you that said that). Wouldn't the people in NYC know about that & report it. If I misread or misunderstood, I apologize. I found the article very informative and have always felt the things you have pointed out are very credible even before reading this
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3/23/2014 11:33:27 pm
Hey Very well post have you published you given your idea of no planes at the World Trade Center was very creative & i taken lots of thing & keep it my mind.
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Bob McDonald
5/21/2014 08:12:40 pm
I have followed this like we all have watched stacks and stacks of videos and read heaps of stories ,I started seeing no planes ect popping up in my searches but just said to myself I saw planes don't go there ,but a few months later I watched some of my first no plane videos and lo and behold for the first time it was like I can see this is crazy but it's real for me, no way known were real planes used ,but we still have to fix up Israel and the Zionist scum that did this lets not forget that !
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Dave Harte
5/21/2014 08:39:15 pm
Wow bob, been a while since I have read such stupidity. If it was Israel, why are the US saying their planes went missing, if there were no planes ?
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1/30/2015 08:59:25 am
good trick. Play dumb and maybe we dumb Gentiles will believe that Jews are innocent.
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Bob McDonald
2/2/2015 06:06:27 am
Dave it is you that is the Stupid one ,quoting what the US says does not help your lack of credibility , you probably think Muslims did it hey Dave ? you would think by now that with all the evidence most people would be thinking along the lines of this Post ,but no, Brain dead people still cant see the connection {massive as it is } to Is -ra-el ,what a joke you are dave please go back to sleep and rest your half dozen brain cells ,and just think truth justice and hang George Bush and friends Bibi lowy you know the ones dave .
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9/18/2014 12:22:49 pm
Hey everyone thank you for all your comments. I must apologize for taking so many months off but we are finally coming back to doing radio shows starting this Wednesday September 24th @ 8 PM ET. I will hopefully be finishing a new 9/11 blog I'm working on in the next month or so. I have also simplified the website and added a few things to better keep us all in touch with you. I have added email alerts. IF you would like to be notified when a new upcoming show is announced and another email just before airing simply leave us your name and email address on the form. Its that easy and you will never miss a live a show. We have also ditched our old comment system which for some reason was not even funtioning. We could not see them att all. So I have added Disqus comments. Please sign up if you are not already a disqus member. It is simple as well. You dont even need to confirn your email. Just pick a username and go. There are two seperate comment walls. One under the chat on the Dose Of Reality Radio Page. So anytime you want to leave any comment related to the show and we are not on the air leave it in the comments. We will be checking them everyday. There is another comment wall right on the home page. This is for any other comment you might have for us. regarding absolutely anything.
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Lynn Ertell
11/21/2014 11:07:48 am
It's pretty clear that, strategically speaking, the lying broadcast media (and their cultural assets) are the optimal target for 9/11 exposure. And the softest, And psychologically central to everything, James has presented this, implicitly, from a strategic planning or "activist" perspective; should help us to more efficiently deploy our limited resources and focus.
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1/29/2015 08:17:05 pm
The no-planes, bomb-exploding destruction of the World Trade Center is no different than Israel's bombing of the ship U.S.S. Liberty, and Israel's and President Johnson's attempt to blame the Egyptians for the bombings so that they could have an excuse to tell the public for the invasion and destruction of the Islamic Middle East and take their oil.
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Bob McDonald
1/30/2015 04:51:37 pm
Great read thanks ,personally I used to see YT videos like no planes ect and kept on clicking anywhere but there , because I saw planes hit the buildings ,but one day as those titles became more frequent ,I decided to debunk it . what I got though was an almighty wake up {again} that indeed there were no planes used ,as there were just too many variables ,and ofcourse planes cant fly through buildings or bring down highrises so that was it , all this time later ,still no criminals convicted ,and still the lying Zionist Jew media is in full control ,they are our enemy ,it is them that must be destroyed along with Israel then we will have freedom and world peace , remember Anti Semites will rule the world and god loves all goyim the true chose peoples .
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adam Shillings
2/2/2015 03:20:54 am
Wow Bob, back to the drawing board with you. Planes can and do, as we have see, fly into buildings. Burning fuel can burn hot enough to weaken steel, not melt it, but weaken it. Iron mongers have known this for thousands of years.
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Bob McDonald
2/2/2015 05:57:55 am
A typical pathetic response from a brain dead group thinker , wake up pal you are not fooling anyone but yourself , with your group think bullshit , anyone with even a small brain knows for certain planes cannot fly through buildings ,you must have a really small brain ,that doesn't work much ,or your just a lying freemason or Zionist ,either way pal there are a lot of people that are more stupid than you that have come to the same conclusion as myself and millions of others , enjoy the delusion created by your dumb little conclusion .
Jake c ffx
6/30/2015 07:57:51 am
One day I decided to look into every theory presented about 9/11. After years of "research" I have concluded that no planes were used. It's a sad reality and has caused me a great deal of pain and depression. I'm tired of arguing with me fellow countryman about what "our " government is and isn't willing to do. Bottom line is this. In order to maintain power you must exert it over your own people wether it is known or unknown, wether they are willing or unwilling and most importantly wether they belive it or not.
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Alan Folsom
4/7/2016 07:53:59 pm
Understanding the No-Planes Argument
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4/8/2016 01:01:26 am
Alan I couldn't agree more really with what you said. You made mostly all the same points we have for the last 4-5 years. One I like to add is What do they call NYC??? The Media Capitol of the WORLD right? So you're telling me in the media capitol of the world where all the major and a ton of local but large news organizations are HQ'd NO ONE, NOT ONE REPORTER got video of these "thousands, actually tens of thousands of ppl streaming out of the WTC in what would be probably be the biggest mass evacuation in history?? LEt's add more absurdity to this. Not only was it in their backyard BUT THEY WERE ON SCENE FOR OVER AN HOUR!!!! and no one from the media decided that might be compelling even AWARD WINNING FILM??? LEt's continue...... We are to believe 52 people amatuers at that all caught a 550 MPH off course unexpected jet in the most crowded skyline in the country and all 52 decided at the same time...NAH nothing to see here and they all powered off their cameras!!! LMAO thats what you are expected to believe. The only planes ppl saw were on TV. ITs a shame tho how easily folks will lie and say they saw a plane to pretend they were there, then EVERYTIME I ask a couple more questions they change the subject.
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law of parsimony
9/11/2016 08:58:10 am
initial explosions were by missiles or some other incendiary device. media was complicit and 'green screened' planes. no planes were hijacked. missile MISSED bldg 7 or initial explosion didn't detonate so plane full of innocent civilians was shot down and fake phone calls about a 'hijacking' released.
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Big M
10/22/2016 01:24:05 pm
Gerard Holmgren exposed the fact, back around 2004, after examining the BTS web site, that neither one of the AA flights was even scheduled to fly on that date. Why no mention of the fact that the two UA flights' tail numbers were registered as valid by the FAA until September 28, 2005? Why no mention of the fact that neither one of those airlines has ever filed any loss claims with their insurance carriers, over jumbo jets that would have been worth millions of dollars apiece?
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Brian S Staveley
Brian S Staveley is
the founder and creator of both The Real News Online and The Dose Of Reality Radio Show. Brian began researching these matters in late 2010 and launched his first of several radio ventures shortly after. Brian also produces all the radio shows on this network as well as the work on the website. His main areas of research would be media fakery, govt. and media hoaxes, false flags, 9/11, NASA, Flat Earth, Scientism, Mandela Effect, and more. RIP
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